E3 2009

[DrZaius]

Zeek... your opinion is not right.

Thank you.

You are WELCOME.

My sarcasm is here for EVERYONE'S enjoyment.

I'm wondering who the new characters for Tatsunoko vs. Capcom are. If they include Blanka, I'm buying it.

[Darkstorm091]

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I'm just curious about Golden Sun DS.
Is it a rehash of the first two games or a new game in the series?
Curse you Wikipedia! Why aren't you more informative?!?

[Zeek]

For Golden Sun DS, Nintendo/Camelot have yet to really release any information regarding the storyline and all that jazz. This is about the most I could dig up: http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=18595

...This installment follows the story of the previous heroes' descendants

'Guess you'll have to wait until Nintendo bothers to give in to more information on it.

Also, Galaxy 2 will have less of a storyline. I kinda like the idea, as it'll get Mario back into a simpler plot like in the NES/SNES days. However, I really enjoyed the the story telling of Mario from all of his latest adventures (especially Galaxy's, given that it was probably the most "out there" in the Mario universe).

[NUTCASE71733]

For Golden Sun DS, Nintendo/Camelot have yet to really release any information regarding the storyline and all that jazz. This is about the most I could dig up: http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=18595

...This installment follows the story of the previous heroes' descendants

'Guess you'll have to wait until Nintendo bothers to give in to more information on it.

Also, Galaxy 2 will have less of a storyline. I kinda like the idea, as it'll get Mario back into a simpler plot like in the NES/SNES days. However, I really enjoyed the the story telling of Mario from all of his latest adventures (especially Galaxy's, given that it was probably the most "out there" in the Mario universe).

Less of a storyline? That's not good at all. That's one of the things that what made the Japanese version of SMB2 suck.

[DrZaius]

The NES and SNES Mario games had very little storyline going on. You start off with some text telling you what the problem is and then you go around collecting how many of whatever you need to collect in order to solve the problem. Boom. Done. And that's how I LIKES it.

Video games are more about GAMEPLAY anyway... unless it's like a point-and-click adventure game or something.

[BlueWarrior]

Also your comment of linear VS free-roaming is not based on any fact. While both Sunshine and 64 didn't require all stars to be obtained to go to the final boss, but the same is said about Galaxy. Saying Galaxy is too linear is total bull in that regard. Even if it were true, you still had a point A to B gameplay with 64 and Sunshine.

Right, I gotta correct this.

Yes, all three of the 3D Mario games lacked requirements to get all stars to reach the final boss, which is a good design mechanism, because that encourages nonlinearity. However, Sunshine and 64's levels were generally free-roaming. There were multiple ways to play many of the levels just by taking different routes and/or using caps and FLUDD upgrades. This is more than A to B gameplay. Galaxy, on the hand, generally followed a lot more linear of a path in most of the levels, so by definition, Galaxy's level design follows from point A to B. It is a fact that Galaxy is more linear than the previous titles; whether this is a good thing or a bad thing is up to debate. I've played games that have A-Z gameplay, especially Kirby and the Amazing Mirror, and I've played games that follow a very linear path (Rocket Knight Adventures), and both formulas have produced solid titles. Personally, I thought Galaxy was an amazing game the first time I played it, but it did have little replayability, and the limits on how I could go about levels were the biggest reasons why for me, and I really do hope Galaxy 2 fixes this.

Less of a storyline? That's not good at all. That's one of the things that what made the Japanese version of SMB2 suck.

No, the reason why SMB2J sucked was because the levels were designed to piss you off. Storytelling had nothing to do with it. When's the last time you heard someone talking about SMB2J and asking, "Where's the plot?"

This isn't to say a good storyline isn't icing on the cake, but lacking a storyline does not a bad game make. I mean, just look at Bomberman Blast. Nobody ever plays multiplayer Bomberman and expects a plot. It's a far-fetched concept. Hell, Mario Party doesn't need a plot, but Nintendo just throws it in so that there's an excuse for the characters to be on a giant board game. It really all depends on what kind of game it's trying to be.

[NUTCASE71733]

No, the reason why SMB2J sucked was because the levels were designed to piss you off. Storytelling had nothing to do with it. When's the last time you heard someone talking about SMB2J and asking, "Where's the plot?"

This isn't to say a good storyline isn't icing on the cake, but lacking a storyline does not a bad game make. I mean, just look at Bomberman Blast. Nobody ever plays multiplayer Bomberman and expects a plot. It's a far-fetched concept. Hell, Mario Party doesn't need a plot, but Nintendo just throws it in so that there's an excuse for the characters to be on a giant board game. It really all depends on what kind of game it's trying to be.

That's not exactly what I was reffering to, Blue. I said it was ONE of the reasons it sucked, meaning there were other reasons too. Here's a list plus the reasons behind reasons.

1- Plot: It was exactly the same as the first game. I know this to be true, as I read it on another site and it matched the backstory seen in Super Mario All-Stars. The original Japanese SMB2 backstory was exactly the same as that of the first game, through and through. I wouldn't have minded the other faults if the writers had made more of an effort to make the game different plot-wise.

2- Stages: The stages, while obscenely hard, were for the most part exactly the same as the originals. Hell, the game flow was identical. Oveworld, underworld, overworld, castle, overworld, underwater, overworld, castle, overworld (and it just goes on from there).

3- wind: An unnessesary feature to the game, nuff said. It just made it more skin-peelingly difficult.



Now do you see my point? I loved the original games as much as the next guy, but to totally revert like that would be a bad move. Besides most Mario games don't have an epic a storyline as Galaxy, RPG, Superstar Saga, Partners in Time do anyway. I can handle not having an epic tale, but it has to be some effort unlike the Japanese sMB2 for the very reason listed above.

[BlueWarrior]

I see what you're saying. A little plot differentiation would have raised the appeal, but I do think it was the least of the game's problems in comparison to the other two you mentioned.



So, a little more on topic, I'm looking forward to playing as Yvan in New Super Mario Bros. Wii.

[NUTCASE71733]

Thank you for understanding, Blue. And yes, the next New Super Mario Bros. will definately own, even if it's plot is as shallow as the first one on the DS.

[DrZaius]

I see what you're saying. A little plot differentiation would have raised the appeal, but I do think it was the least of the game's problems in comparison to the other two you mentioned.



So, a little more on topic, I'm looking forward to playing as Yvan in New Super Mario Bros. Wii.

Two-page article or not, those names suck.

[Arrow]

Two-page article or not, those names suck.

Which was probably the whole point.

[BlueWarrior]

It's either that or "Yellow Toad" and "Blue Toad".

[Mad Adder]

It's either that or "Yellow Toad" and "Blue Toad".

Technically, that's about how they got the names. The names "Yvan" and "Wolley" are quite simply "Navy" and "Yellow" spelled backwards. My opinion of that line of thinking is, ironically, a backward color as well: Derrrrrrr!

Thank you for understanding, Blue. And yes, the next New Super Mario Bros. will definately own, even if it's plot is as shallow as the first one on the DS.

When it comes to Mario-style platformers, I refer you to one of the more enlightened things that John Carmack said: "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important."

/ and I think this may be one of the most offensive posts I've ever made in the history of my tenure here
// well, goodnight folks

[Powerlord]

I refer you to one of the more enlightened things that John Carmack said: "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important."

When exactly did John Carmack say this? I'm guessing prior to 2004, since Doom 3 seems to be more story driven than his prior games.

Of course, this is a moot point, as Doom 3 lost the Game of the Year crown against a more plot-heavy title in 2004: Half-Life 2. It seems the market speaks louder than Carmack does.

[solis]

The NES and SNES Mario games had very little storyline going on. You start off with some text telling you what the problem is and then you go around collecting how many of whatever you need to collect in order to solve the problem. Boom. Done. And that's how I LIKES it.

Video games are more about GAMEPLAY anyway... unless it's like a point-and-click adventure game or something.

THANK YOU. I myself enjoy playing the game and not watching a million cut scenes.

Also, news of a new Golden Sun is interesting to me. It's been a while.

But as for what Wikipedia says:

A second sequel, tentatively titled Golden Sun DS, was announced at E3 2009.

A second sequel

sequel

I think it goes without saying that it being a re-hash is not likely. That would just end up annoying fans. It's been a while, but not that long. I mean it's been what, six years or so? A bit too soon for a re-hash if you ask me.