VGMA2: Preparation

[blue.nocturne]

Why Lunar hates ocremix.
Dunno if because of that you hold a grudge against sound quality vs arrangement, but you always do awesome things.
Granted it really was a BS decision all in all.
Perhaps you just like doing a "back to VG music roots" type of thing, but don't let it get to you.

Not seeing Dave want to participate makes me sad.
You should join in and amaze away since you never disappoint!

But I do feel MIDI sometimes has an extra richness to it that get dulled down by nicer synths, but regardless I feel both are important to learn.
And as an added bonus, I will use FL synths and soundfonts only for my piece since I don't want to feel that my synths are a crutch.

[mudlord]

As for track length limits, I suppose I'm not opposed to unlimited. I only suggested limits to try to keep things reasonable, especially since we have to consider bandwidth and hosting issues. Perhaps no minimum limit and a max limit of 30 minutes? There's a whole lot of room for artistic freedom in that range.

For me, there is no real hosting issues. Apart from what you people want. I'm willing to donate the server space needed.

[Charybdizs]

Realistically speaking, NO ONE'S music is not going to make the cut. We will accept all of it, period.

Oh thank God Here comes a 30-minute noise track made entirely of a sliced sample of me brushing my teeth.

You sir, just made my day.


So as for all this rules, it just sounds like a whole lot of hooey to me. I'm just gonna make my song, submit it, and that's that. If someone decides "It's not good enough" then I don't care. It was practice for me, and if it really was good, there will be other people to appreciate it. Not that I think that will happen, but still.

Why Lunar hates ocremix.

Wow. And after all their suckish techno remixes of songs that never should have been techno-fied, it sickens me to see that stuck up crap.

[Solaphar]

Why Lunar hates ocremix.
Dunno if because of that you hold a grudge against sound quality vs arrangement, but you always do awesome things.
Granted it really was a BS decision all in all.
Perhaps you just like doing a "back to VG music roots" type of thing, but don't let it get to you.

Eh, I didn't want to talk about quality, but I guess I'll bite. This is kind of off-topic in regards to the album though.

So, I read through all the posts in that link and I think this part from Dave Lloyd sums up how I feel:

"There's great free stuff out there, and we're not being snobs or elitists to expect that it be utilized. We're an MP3 site and not a MIDI site for a reason. Granted, I know some of you feel strongly that excellent samples shouldn't compensate for lackluster arrangement, and this is DEFINITELY the case... just don't go overboard in the other direction, either: excellent arrangement can't always compensate for lackluster production."

This is sort of what I was saying before. I think it's important to have standards in the areas of both arrangement and production. If we favor just one or the other, we're ignoring a whole aspect. Great samples don't make up for a poor arrangement, but likewise a great arrangement doesn't make up for poor samples.

As for track length limits, I suppose I'm not opposed to unlimited. I only suggested limits to try to keep things reasonable, especially since we have to consider bandwidth and hosting issues. Perhaps no minimum limit and a max limit of 30 minutes? There's a whole lot of room for artistic freedom in that range.

For me, there is no real hosting issues. Apart from what you people want. I'm willing to donate the server space needed.

Sounds great. Guess we needn't worry about limits then.

Wow. And after all their suckish techno remixes of songs that never should have been techno-fied, it sickens me to see that stuck up crap.

Meh. I think it's a matter of opinion.

What you might see as elitist is reasonable to them.

Stroll into a record company and demand that they publish your music. Then watch as you get escorted out by security while you're shouting at them "You're stuck up elitists!" =)

[Charybdizs]

Meh. I think it's a matter of opinion.

What you might see as elitist is reasonable to them.

Stroll into a record company and demand that they publish your music. Then watch as you get escorted out by security while you're shouting at them "You're stuck up elitists!" =)

The funny thing is, OCRemix is known almost all over the place as "The site with all the shitty techno remixes"

Opinions, yes, but it's certainly an opinion shared by lots of others.

[Solaphar]

The funny thing is, OCRemix is known almost all over the place as "The site with all the shitty techno remixes"

Opinions, yes, but it's certainly an opinion shared by lots of others.

Listen to this guy's stuff. It's awesome stuff, in my opinion, mostly funk and fusion, and it's not techno. Another cool artist on OCR, who's also on this forum, is Shnabubula. I like listening to his remixes and watching his piano vids on youtube.

Tony Dickinson and Snappleman are both fun to listen to as well.


Honestly, I don't get the blind hatred and sweeping judgments of OCR. Yes, they have their flaws, any organization does, but how are they hurting you? What do they do to warrant your dislike of them?

[AnthonyMorgan]

*sigh* Frankly this album project is now such a mess I'm thinking of removing myself from it. I'm not referring to anyone in particular, it's just the way we act as a group. So few people interested, organization so long and chaotic.

Oh by the way I hate OCRemix too.

[Solaphar]

*sigh* Frankly this album project is now such a mess I'm thinking of removing myself from it. I'm not referring to anyone in particular, it's just the way we act as a group. So few people interested, organization so long and chaotic.

Would you by any chance volunteer to be the coordinator then? Please?

I'm sure if we just had someone step into that role things would be less, umm... distasteful to you? Maybe? Since you're already organizing file conversion and tagging anyway, maybe you'd at least consider it?

I'd hate to see a chain reaction of people leaving, just because we're not doing things in an organized enough manner. If it's not organized, then let's make it organized, eh? Having a singular leader-type figure to guide the discussion might make it more palatable.

[blue.nocturne]

Ok, let's simplify it.
Make space theme song, PM Rocco to reserve what you want.
Microwave for 2 minutes, enjoy.
Please no more wall of text posts, too much.
Let's just have fun now, no more debates.

[Kefkarjp]

Rocco's already gone. He got fed up. I might not bother either.

[Solaphar]

Ok, let's simplify it.
Make space theme song, PM Rocco to reserve what you want.
Microwave for 2 minutes, enjoy.
Please no more wall of text posts, too much.
Let's just have fun now, no more debates.

I'm fine with that. Let's do this. I'm still happy with the "interstellar medium" theme I chose before, so you can put me down for that, please.

Also, I want to take this opportunity to apologize if any of the contents of my posts have been found offensive to anyone. While I wasn't the only one contributing to the debates going on (after all, it takes more than one person for a debate to occur) I want to, if possible, make the contents of my posts more agreeable in the future, so please let me know via PM how I can do that. I'll try to be less verbose as well, as the wall-of-text issue has been pointed out to me. I don't want the album to fall apart on account of debates or long posts.

[Blitz Lunar]

Why Lunar hates ocremix.

i'm not happy with that remix and i am glad it isn't on the site, so there is no grudge (it's from 2005.) the way they handled it WAS poor though, and nothing much has changed there since. some of the things they said are what i've been talking about. it's on remixthasauce anyway. it's simply not a good place for me personally right now, i guess whatever i do will be incompatible. spent too much energy in areas that i can't compete in.

yea i'll probably do something for this alb, i just hope i CAN do something that i am happy with, and isn't restricted... running an ancient computer sucks. if i can get something adequate using only my sound module i'll do that since that's easiest. i don't have anything else i can use except a few synths like albino, synth1, FM7... nothing i can use for convincing instrumental sounds aside from sampling stuff directly i guess, and i spose i need to try using some of these drum samples... it's possible that my workflow is totally broken as well. it's like all these layers of crud take any fun out of it and it becomes a minefield. the extreme freedom of choice can be paralysing, sometimes.

it would be cool to get a sound like this.

This is sort of what I was saying before. I think it's important to have standards in the areas of both arrangement and production. If we favor just one or the other, we're ignoring a whole aspect. Great samples don't make up for a poor arrangement, but likewise a great arrangement doesn't make up for poor samples.

yea, they're just not in equilibrium with OCR, if you ask me.
there are a few awesome artists there, i've become friends with Josh in the last year after he contacted me on youtube, and have been with Shnabubula since '05 (after my mix there was compared to him), love the output from both of them, and i think they are pretty different to the rest of the crowd there too. Nase is good as well but hasn't done a lot. they are the exceptions that prove the rule though, would love to see more artists like that crop up. there's probably others who feel discouraged because of how many submissions are rock, orchestral or techno based.

[KungFuFurby]

In my case, it's not too fancy to start with, but at least my notation isn't absolutely terrible.

By the way... who is Josh? Is this the Josh that was working on Swim for Stencyl? Or do I have the wrong person?

[AnthonyMorgan]

I did a bit of "remixing" myself but am so instinctively repulsed by OCRemix, I won't submit anything to them. They have this lethargic, worshiping fanboy vibe along with an obsession toward old japanese games. Where's the glory in that? I did it for fun. Realizing someone federated a whole community around the concept of using someone else's music makes me nauseous.

But that's not the subject.

I don't think Rocco will come back. Perhaps I'll replace him (after all, he *was* the coordinator, right?) and if I do, yes, midnight UTC July 2nd will be the deadline.

[Charybdizs]

Solophar, I never said all the stuff on OCremix was bad. I was simply saying there is a lot of crap to search through to find something good. That being said, there's a number of remixes on there I like. Vurez's stuff, for example.

I think the reason people are ditchin this project is simply because of all the nitpicking that's going on in it, the main proponent of it being you, Solophar. I'd say the best option at this point is to say "Here's what we need to do, now ready set GO". All the intense rules discussion is just serving to bore and discourage people. In the end, it probably wouldn't make much of a difference anyways.

Like I said before, I'm just completely ignoring all this stuff anyways, and determining to have fun despite it all.